Interview with Texas Ranger Steven Rayburn
After securing the Keyes footage from Texas, we reached out to retired Texas Ranger Steven Rayburn to try and arrange an interview for you.
Steve was kind enough to talk to us via text message; the conversation you are about to read was the result. At some point, we hope to have him join us for an audio interview.
We have done our best to edit this only very lightly; apparently after Mr. Rayburn was interviewed by Maureen Callahan for American Predator “she still got a couple of things wrong,” which turned him off of media interviews.
I like her… she was very nice. Just wish I could have proofread the Lufkin chapter for accuracy.
Although he calls her nice, and also told us that she did solid work, we couldn’t help but notice that he was disrespected by how she described him later; there is no call for a professional researcher to insult a man’s hat - or his professionalism - even accidentally, through ignorance.
I didn’t like the way Callahan described me wearing a “ten gallon hat” when I met APD detectives in Beaumont. I think she said I wore starched jeans, too.
We’ve done our best to fix this disservice, and we have attempted not to take any quotes wildly out of context. As we strive for both accuracy and transparency, we will disclose that we have edited our conversation for readability.




That means some texts have been consolidated together because they were part of the same stream of thought, and others have been moved up or down in sequence slightly for better narrative flow.
We have also edited out some friendly getting to know each other type messages and typos, and inserted some editors notes in brackets [like so].
Aside from these liberties we took to give you a good reading experience, we believe the interview below to be the unvarnished truth.
Steve: Hey Parker and Viktoria. This is Steve. I hope it’s not too late to text. I appreciate y’alls kind words in your email. I watched the 3 videos [of Keyes being arrested and interrogated by the Rangers]. I had not seen or heard them since 2012. So it was really something.
Hi Steve, I’m usually up late, so no worries. We appreciate you getting back to us. I’m sure it was wild seeing the videos after so long.
Just wanted to text y’all in private first [before a theoretical audio interview]. I’ve only done one interview years ago for American Predator. She still got a couple of things wrong. So I try to be careful. Turned down a whole lot of requests since…
Spoke to Callahan prior to retiring so I had to get permission from the Ranger Chief first. No permission needed now. Another retired Ranger friend of mine encouraged me to reach out to you.
Oh yeah, Maureen Callahan’s book. I heard they’re making it into a TV series or movie.
I saw that. Guy that wrote the Shield is converting it into a mini-series. I didn’t even read the whole book; just the part concerning my involvement.
While I am interested in true crime, I like the law enforcement side of things and the psychology. A lot of movies really turn these killers into mythological characters and they don’t deserve it.
Been reading comments from others on your posts. Some are flattering and others are nuts.
There are a lot of crazy and rude trolls out there.
Saw another guy posted your video [the Keyes arrest footage] and failed to acknowledge y’all. Comments on that one was similar to y’alls [video].
Yeah, his body language analysis was also the opposite of what was written in your report. I thought that was par for the course.
So, shoot me some questions. If I don’t do the podcast, at least you will have some things straight concerning the capture. My answers won’t change either way; it’s the truth.
If you decide not to do the podcast, are we okay to publish your answers in an article?
Yes, just don’t post the texts themselves.
No problem. Where are you from?
I was raised in Winnie, Texas with one older brother. My mom was 7th grade Texas history teacher. My brother and I worked at my Dad’s lumber yard. I moved to Lufkin to attend Angelina College and fell in love with my wife at the Pizza Hut where we both worked.
How old were you when you met your wife? And what did you study in college?
I majored in criminal justice [at Angelina College]… finished my bachelors at the Stephen F. Austin State University at 28 in 1997 with a BAAS in Law Enforcement and Public Administration.
So you always wanted to go into law enforcement?
I was hired by the Lufkin Police Department (LPD) at the tender age of 21 in 1990. I still looked 17 at the time. Spent my last 3 years at LPD as a School Resource Officer at Lufkin HS.
I read that you made the jump to Highway Patrol. Why the change?
All Rangers start out in the Highway Patrol. The last Ranger that was appointed outside of DPS (the Department of Public Safety) was the Austin PD Officer who stopped the UT tower shooting in the 1960s.
I had not aspired to be a Ranger until I was encouraged to compete for the job by Ranger Captain Tony Leal; he later became Ranger Chief. I didn’t make Ranger the first time I applied; I did make it on the second attempt.
Was being a Texas Ranger one of your career goals?
I actually accepted a pay cut to be [a Sergeant] in the Ranger Division. I was a Lieutenant in the Highway Patrol Division at the time. Both are divisions of DPS but Sergeants make less than Lieutenants.
Oh wow, so it was really something you wanted to do. Regarding Keyes, at what point did you realize that Cpl. Henry had stopped the right guy?
Keyes. So much to say. It was divine intervention. Let me ask first, where did you get that video? FOIA? Who released it?
I filed a records request; we got over 200 photos, video and audio clips, and a number of pdfs.
That must have been the one I was recently asked about. Did you ask for body worn camera footage?
Yes. A few of our subscribers had asked for it. It didn’t look like you were wearing bodycams but we asked on their behalf to definitively give them an answer. It’s been a long journey making this documentary.
2012. No body cams. I guess I need to watch it.
We’ll be happy to give you a complimentary subscription so you can access the documentary. I read in the evidence log that there was [video] footage of the interrogation but was told otherwise by DPS.
So, here’s the way that works. We took him to LPD for the interview because they had a good interview room with cameras. But I always ran my pocket audio recorder even when the room was equipped with cameras. It’s more reliable and a great backup.
Audio recorders are usually clearer, which is good for later report writing. A good digital audio recorder apparently picks up on sandwich “chomping” as well.
It was a federal case, and I’m sure LPD turned the video over directly to the FBI. All the evidence went to the FBI. DPS can’t give you what they don’t have.
The report described Keyes as unusually nervous and sweating profusely. He came across as defensive as well. What was your impression of him.
Well, let me back up. A couple days before the capture, I saw the bulletin released by El Paso. The morning prior, I got a call from Ranger Lieutenant Kevin Pullen. We knew we were looking for a white 2012 Ford Focus or Ford Escape driven by a white male with an athletic build.
Had the grainy photos from the ATM with the suspect wearing white tennis shoes, gray hoody, shooting glasses, and some type of face covering. No license plate info, no numbers, no state of issuance. Just had the ATM locations, times, and photo and identification of the missing girl. That’s it.
There was a transaction in Humble and then Shepherd. Humble is just north of Houston on HWY 59. Later, there another in Shepherd. Shepherd is north of Humble a few miles. Not a long distance; real small place.
I am interested in the process of getting a bulletin. This might be a stupid question, but there are so few Rangers. So did you see that specific bolo and something just told you to look into it?
I was given a number to an FBI Agent and called him. He said he and a couple of other agents were checking motels, rest areas, and truck stops.
I told him I had been assigned to assist the FBI and APD and that we had over 2,500 Texas State Troopers who could help find a white Ford Focus.
I knew I needed to put out our own ATL [Attempt to Locate] bulletin with a Ranger Cinco Peso on it. I wanted to rally out local troopers to earnestly search, so I put the updated ATM locations on it with possible directions of travel.
I created it and distributed it state wide in Texas, Louisiana, and Arkansas, and then I hand delivered them to our Lufkin Troopers and their supervisors. I also called and briefed APD on what Texas was doing to help them and told them I would be their point of contact for DPS and the Rangers.
In the footage with Cpl. Henry, I see you arrived very quickly after you got his call. How certain were you after your initial interaction with Keyes that he was the guy?
Cpl Bryan Henry was in the Lufkin DPS office where we were both stationed. He stopped by my office and was very motived to find this car.
I assured him that the FBI in Quantico had determined the make and model, but Bryan is second generation Texas Highway Patrol (THP). His dad was a retired THP Sergeant and his brother was also a THP trooper, and Bryan is a “car guy,” and wanted to [check for] himself.
He drove to the local Ford dealership and did his own comparison with the grainy ATM photo on the bulletin. He was convinced the FBI was correct. He began his search and finished his shift with no luck. This was the day prior to the capture.
So when Keyes mentioned to you that a police officer was in the parking lot of his hotel, looking at his car, the night before he was arrested… that was related to this?
Remember, divine intervention. Lufkin had two full time FBI agents. One had just retired, and Deb Gannaway, who had just transferred to Lufkin, stopped by my office the next morning to introduce herself and work alongside me on the search. It was the first time we had spoken or met.
When Deb got there, Bryan called my cell. He said he had a car parked at a hotel on the southern edge of the Lufkin City limits; there is a cluster of 3 hotels at that location. He said it had Texas tags, however, there was a white male with an athletic build standing on the second floor balcony just above the car.
I told him Deb and I would check it out and we loaded up in my truck and headed over. Bryan was in a marked Tahoe; Rangers drive unmarked quad cab half ton trucks, usually with a bed cover, undercover plates, and tinted windows.
When we arrived, there was no one on the balcony, but the car was there. I had removed my hat and took my tie off… Rangers have a strict dress code. Silver belly hat… cattleman or rancher style. No facial hair, no dark colored shirts, only long sleeve. Tie without print. No blue jeans.
He interrupts himself to mention Maureen Callahan again and divulge more of what he disliked about her reporting style, which as we mentioned in our introduction included some disparagement in her description.
I didn’t like the way Callahan described me wearing a “ten gallon hat” when I met APD detectives in Beaumont. I think she said I wore starched jeans, too.
He quickly returns to the story of Keyes arrest.
So, everyone was looking. Deb got out and looked closely at the vehicle. We ran the plates and it was a rental with Texas tags. With the path of travel of the unknown suspect, we didn’t think it was likely to have Texas tags, but Deb walked to the motel office to see if anyone who had rented a room was from Alaska. No luck.
[Isaiah Keyes, Israel’s brother, had booked the hotel; it was his name and identification tied to the room, and he wasn’t from Alaska.]
I called DPS criminal investigations Lieutenant Mickey Hadnot and asked him to roll over to the hotel and put eyes on the white Ford, and let me know if it was about to leave.
They worked narcotics and intelligence and everything else the Rangers didn’t focus on; he had a squad of agents working for him, and those were all the plain clothes guys you saw later at the traffic stop.
So, we checked the other two hotels next door. We found another white Ford Focus. Then Hadnot called; the athletic male was getting ready to depart alone in the 2012 Ford Focus. I called Cpl. Bryan Henry and told him to try and stop it and see if the driver was from Alaska.
Bryan got set up and clocked the Focus at 3 miles per hour over the limit. He stopped it in the parking lot of the Cotton Patch Cafe.
We didn’t know if Samantha was alive and certainly didn’t know the guy was a serial killer. We were looking for someone, probably from Alaska, I mean, what are the odds? Texas tags!
Very strange since he rented the car in Vegas.
I would imagine in the previous 18 hours there were hundreds of stops of white, 2012 Ford Focus’s. And there were no felony takedowns for speeding just to see if the driver might be from Alaska.
Bryan had been a Trooper for over 20 years and had stopped thousands of cars. He later said Keyes was the only person he ever stopped with a drivers license from Alaska. He was cautious. He knew there was a possibility and he’s a pro.
Mickey [Hadnot] called me and Deb and I raced over. No body cams but we had dash cams in marked THP units, which have voice transmitters that troopers wear. I grabbed it from Bryan so that my conversation with the violator would be captured.
Deb was on the phone immediately and got another FBI agent on the scene fairly quickly. You see him in the video, too… he was on the phone with the US Attorney and FBI Anchorage.
We had reasonable suspicion out the wazoo but needed probable cause. We had plenty of manpower on scene. We conducted a pat down for weapons and we felt pretty comfortable.
So you probably recall, and I haven’t seen any comments about it, that Bryan told Keyes prior to my arrival that we were looking into a kidnapping “where you’re from.”
I didn’t know that at the time, but Keyes did, and acted like he didn’t… pressing to know what this was all about. Keyes asked me if it was about a uniform cop in a truck that was not a police truck but I had no idea what he was talking about. That was the cop from the night before; I really didn’t know til later. Don’t let me forget to tell you about that.
His route and flight information, being from Anchorage, the timeline and other factors led to us all agreeing that we had enough probable cause to seek a search warrant. The FBI and US attorney, once Keyes denied a search of his wallet and car, were headed towards that.
But, troopers, Agents and Rangers all know that when you have enough articulable probable cause for a search warrant to be issued, there is an exception to the search warrant requirement for vehicles that are movable, such as in the circumstances of a traffic stop.
We had probable cause and the prosecutor in Alaska recommended we proceed without the warrant. It was urgent because we were looking for a victim that we didn’t know if she was dead or alive.
Perhaps the biggest error Callahan made in her book was referring to this as the “probable cause exception;” it was a “search warrant exception”. Other exceptions include a fleeing felon, fight noises, and safety search.
In the video, I heard you call it the vehicle exception rule. I did some reading on it.
One of the search warrant exceptions is the vehicle exception or the vehicle exception to obtaining a search warrant. I think I used both terms at different times. But definitely not the “probable cause exception” as Callahan called it.
[The vehicle or automobile exception to the 4th Amendment warrant requirement allows police to search a vehicle without a warrant if they have probable cause to believe it contains evidence of a crime. Essentially, if police have a good reason to believe evidence of a crime is in the car, they can search it without a warrant.
Exigent circumstances also allow police to search without a warrant; these are emergency situations where there is a compelling need for immediate action, for instance, when a kidnapping victim might be harmed or moved to a new location if police don’t act.]
There were a couple things in her book that stood out to me as being off. I like her, but I believe that if you’re going to write about law, crime, or victims, doing diligent research is imperative. Sorry to interrupt your story.
I like her too; she was very nice. Just wish I could have proofread the Lufkin chapter for accuracy.
As far as Miranda, it wasn’t required under those circumstances until he was arrested. He was detained for a traffic violation and the scope of the traffic stop grew as more facts were obtained.
Prior to the search, after Keyes denied consent, I removed the voice transmitter and handed it to someone next to Keyes. Then I consulted with the FBI to discuss the vehicle warrant exception. When I returned to the car, I took the transmitter back. I was trained as a trooper to articulate my observations into the mic as I searched.
Interesting. Did you do that in case Keyes said anything incriminating?
I don’t think he said anything incriminating.
So, I noticed the white tennis shoes. Deb located a wadded up t-shirt under the passenger seat with the sleeve cut off. That didn’t register at the time… not just yet.
Found ATM receipts; we didn’t dive too deep into them yet but just a little. Saw the rolls of cash in the driver’s door. It had dye from an exploded dye pack on it but I didn’t notice that.
I did notice very thin rubber bands; I mentioned that because it was consistent with how drug couriers sometimes transport money. I stand by that. Troopers seize a lot of money during traffic stops associated with money laundering in the drug trade.
I’ve personally seen, on numerous occasions, thin rubber bands around rolls of cash in these circumstances. Doesn’t mean Keyes was involved with money laundering, or the dope business, but it was my honest observation.
Now, there has been a lot said about finding Samantha’s drivers license. I don’t recall that at all. Maybe Deb found it and I don’t remember, but I don’t have any memory of us finding her drivers license. Seems like something I would have remembered if we had, right?
Yeah, there’s a photo of it in the Anchorage evidence. I don’t think Keyes ever been took it from her wallet, although I could be wrong, and it could have been an old license that APD photographed.
There was a map; a route was highlighted that matched the ATM transactions. I moved to the trunk and we found the rest of Keyes ATM disguise. We knew we had our guy.
After a quick agreement from the FBI, I wanted Cpl. Henry to arrest and transport, so I told Corporal Henry to arrest Keyes for kidnapping out of Alaska.
The Feds initially charged him with the crime for which we had the most evidence, which was federal charges of access device fraud. I think the Feds chose to do that because it would help keep the apprehension of a suspect in Samantha’s kidnapping under wraps.
APD and the FBI needed time to do all the necessary legwork and follow-up in Anchorage. And they needed to avoid the possibility of evidence being tampered with or destroyed. Initial secrecy was needed to protect the integrity of their active investigation.They didn’t know at the time that Keyes acted alone and still didn’t know if Samantha was alive and possibly being held somewhere.
At this point, Steve brings up the many comments left on our YouTube upload of the arrest video from people who were shocked to see a handcuffed Israel Keyes in the front passenger seat of a police car.
Now viewers are going nuts about the front seat and shotgun thing… Texas state troopers typically don’t have cages in their cars. The cage you see in Bryan’s Tahoe is behind his backseat and separates the passenger compartment from the cargo area where all the gear is carried.
If folks are freaking out about the shotgun, I guess it’s a good thing they didn’t see the assault rifle under Bryan’s hat. Both weapons are secured in gun locks that cover the trigger.
They’re there so that a trooper has quick access to his weapons, but it’s completely safe to carry non-combative individuals in the front seat with a large center divider. Troopers are trained to do this safely.There are no issues. If a trooper has a subject that’s combative, they usually call for a police department or sherrif’s office unit to transport. It can be argued that a trooper can better observe an arrested subject in the front seat than in the backseat behind the cage.
The only valid concern anyone mentioned was not immediately recovering Keyes knife from his trunk, but Lt. Hadnot grabbed them as soon as he approached… we were all road troopers at one point in our careers.
Had Keyes made a move for the knife, he would have had a knife in a gunfight, but I’m glad for the sake of the investigation that he didn’t go for his knife.
What happened after you collected the evidence from the scene?
Once we had enough evidence, we put it all back in the car and had it towed to the Lufkin DPS office. We sealed all the doors and trunk with evidence tape and locked it inside of a storage building that we also sealed with evidence tape for a later search.
We wanted to go ahead and get a search warrant, in an abundance of caution, for a much more thorough processing of the vehicle.
At this point, Steve brought up a rumor that we heard from someone who left a comment on our YouTube channel; we had never heard this before, but apparently the rumor was true.
Here is more divine intervention that I learned about from investigators in Anchorage, Alaska. Keyes, after several ATM transactions, became concerned that the vehicle he was using may have been captured on camera.
So, before he came to Lufkin, he stopped by a rental location to exchange his white, 2012 Ford Focus for a different vehicle. What they gave him was another white 2012 Ford Focus. Had they given him a different vehicle, he would likely not have been located by Corporal Henry.
Oh, wow! I heard someone mention that to us but I never saw anything official about it.
So, obviously, you know that Corporal Henry transported Keyes to LPD while Deb and I followed the wrecker and secured the vehicle at the DPS office. Then we headed to LPD. I had forgotten that we needed to search his wallet to look for the debit card used at the ATMs. We searched his wallet at LPD and found Samantha’s boyfriends debit card.
When I first arrived at the Lufkin police department, a uniform officer whose face was as pale as a ghost approached me and told me that he had spotted the man the night before.
He said he obtained my bulletin and was searching for that white Ford. He said when he got off duty, on his way home in his personal vehicle, he decided to swing through that cluster of motels. He saw the white Ford and made eye contact with the man.
He said, with the Ford having Texas tags, he kind of dismissed it. I will bet that the first Ford Keyes rented in Las Vegas did not have Texas tags. Don’t know that for sure, but when we saw the Texas tags, it raised a little doubt. So I do understand his thought process.
It’s a wonder Keyes didn’t get spooked and depart.
From your observation, did you think Keyes was aware that he was never going to be free again, or was he arrogant?
There were lots of discussions taking place with the FBI and the Federal prosecutor in Anchorage. We were told it was imperative that nothing be released to the public about the suspect in Samantha’s kidnapping being apprehended.
So you have the audio of the interview that Deb and I attempted at Lufkin PD. Giving suspects food and drinks prior to and during interviews is very common.
I believed that by sitting down at the table and eating with Keyes, he might feel more at ease speaking with us. If possible, I wanted him to feel relaxed. And none of us had eaten.
Keyes had decided not to discuss anything with us at that time regarding the case.
Because he was in custody and because we were starting a new audio and video recording, he had to be advised of his constitutional rights and agreed to waive those rights prior to discussing what he had been arrested for.
He told us he wasn’t ready to talk; I was pretty happy that he chose to use those words so that he could be approached later for another interview.
It was decided that Deb and I would transport Keyes 2 and 1/2 hours away to a federal facility in Beaumont, Texas. I placed leg irons around Keyes ankles and used a belly chain to handcuff him in front, and placed him in the front seat of my Ford F150 with Agent Gannaway sitting directly behind him.
You asked me if I could tell he was thinking about never getting out of jail; I had been a Ranger four or five years and had completed lots of interviews. I was also a member of a Texas Ranger crisis negotiation team, but I’m no mind reader. I really can’t say.
Fair enough.
The next morning, Deb and I headed to Beaumont to meet two detectives from APD who wanted to interview Israel Keyes. We knew that Keyes would be arraigned by a Federal magistrate and that we needed to attempt the interview before the arraignment or he would likely be assigned an attorney.
Deb and I, once we arrived in Beaumont, stopped at a Subway sandwich shop. While in line, I received a call from the Ranger assigned to Beaumont. He was in a neighboring county on the investigation but asked that I speed downtown to the county courthouse because an active shooter had just opened fire.
When Deb and I arrived, the shooting was over. We attempted to assist as much as we could until the local ranger relieved me. That ran us a little late meeting with the Anchorage police department detectives.
Keyes had already been removed and taken over the federal courthouse for the arraignment. I was able to get him moved to a conference room with the two Anchorage police department detectives to attempt an interview; Detectives Doll and Bell.
A day or two later after Gannaway had obtained a federal search warrant for the white Ford, she and I processed the vehicle. Gannaway, at her previous duty station, was the leader of their evidence recovery team. I was a member of the Texas Ranger Company A crime scene team.
So we had everything we needed and processed the vehicle; all the evidence was turned over to the FBI. Did you get a copy of the evidence recovered from the white Ford?
Yes!
Excellent. Speaks for itself.
Very thorough, for sure.
Do you have any questions about what I’ve talked about thus far?
At what point did you see the ransom photo? You mention it in the arrest footage but I was unsure if APD had shared that early on with you.
Very early on. I think I may have seen it prior to Bryan finding him. If it wasn’t before, it was right after, but I think it was before. Not sure; long time ago.
Gotcha. That was very disturbing to see.
Did you see it? I know there is a fake on the internet, I don’t think the actual has been released.
Yes. We did not include it in our documentary.
It’s disturbing. Gotta put yourself in a parents shoes.
I agree with that. I don’t have kids, but I have 7 nieces and nephews: very worried about all the school shooting stuff and sick people like Keyes.
I know people like that are a tiny population, but they make devastating impacts. I am curious about your general impression of Keyes, and if you were surprised when the FBI released the news that he was actually a serial killer.
We have three sons. My oldest passed away unexpectedly from an illness a couple of years ago. My middle son works for the Texas Department of Transportation and my youngest is a police officer in a neighboring town.
I’m sorry about your oldest son.
Thanks. I’m at peace with it. I was not surprised to learn that Keyes was a serial killer… I’ve typed, erased, retyped, and erased. I can say he’s the reason I always have a gun and lock my bedroom door at night.
Did I tell you anything you didn’t already know?
Yes, you have. I do have a question about the Beaumont interview you did with Kevin Pullen. Why did you have Keyes read from his daughters journal?
Often, when folks sit in jail, they take a long time thinking about what they want to discuss and not discuss in an interview. Sometimes they decide on the lie they want to tell. They have a place they want to start and end.
I wanted to evoke some deep thought and emotion and wanted to give him something he would value. I wanted to built a rapport. A person is more likely to share things with people they like. It’s also something we had in common because I was also a Dad.
It’s something I know he didn’t expect. He confessed to the federal access device fraud but was attempting to deny the kidnapping. A lie, however, can sometimes be as valuable as the truth. Just needed him to keep talking.
The Lord used me, Bryan, and other law enforcement officers on that day, and I’m happy that he did.
When you showed him the ransom photo, he says he doesn’t want to look at it. But it’s just audio, so we can’t see his demeanor. Was he flippant about that, or was there any hint of shame?
He wasn’t prepared for that either.
Is there anything else you’d like to share on your observations of Keyes?
Deb was there was well… around the corner listening but not participating. We don’t like more than a couple of interviewers on one suspect. There was no video on that one; we were at a table inside the jail.
Not an interview room? I didn’t realize that.
It was very late and the jail had no interview room. We were in an open common area. Had a table set up with 4 chairs. I think we got all he was ready to give and some he wasn’t prepared for.
The investigators and prosecutors in Anchorage were very happy with the result of that interview.
I read that APD wrote you a letter of thanks and you and Corporal Henry were awarded for your work.
Yes, great police work by THP Corporal Bryan Henry. He located the vehicle and lawfully stopped it; he did everything right. He based all his decisions on the limited information he had at the time and he was textbook.
He had lots of immediate backup staged in the area. His motivation, training, and professionalism were the most important factor in Keyes’ apprehension. Corporal Henry’s actions undoubtedly saved lives.
Kevin Pullen and I received nice certificates and Bryan was awarded a round shiny gold platter… like a big ole dish. But at our Ranger Company meeting, all the Rangers actually clapped.That took me by surprise; I had never seen that. That was cool. It was good work in Texas, and we were blessed.







This is what I like about your work, fact based and not giving violent criminals a celebrity status, but pure documentation and research. As for the author attempting to insult Mr. Rayburn's hat, I come from the South, my grandfather was a police officer, and while he never got to wear his hat to work, he certainly loved wearing it for style off duty! Was even buried in his Western cowboy bolo tie not a traditional tie. This interview was very informative. I do worry about the reference to making Keyes case into a mini series; these shows where they hire handsome actors to portray disgusting demented criminals is irresponsible. Some people cannot decipher between comic book villains and real life evil. If there is a show sensationalizing Keyes, I do not think I will watch it, I prefer documentary style. Keyes looked like a cross between Beavis and the scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz, he was both terrifying and cruel, I hope he does not get portrayed like a rock star as so many other gross criminals have. I hope to hear more from Mr. Rayburn if he ever feels comfortable sharing an interview in a podcast.
Steve and Bryan and Deb and the whole team who were at the arrest all rockstars. It was the best arrest video I have ever seen. I loved how Bryan told Keyes “these are all undercover cops”. And you see like 8 LEO just surrounding him. Keyes stomach was probably in his mouth. It was so smoothly done. Thank you Steve for giving us better insight into what was going on. And thank you Crime Culture Media for your awesome research in this case. I do hope you’re able to get Mr Rayburn on a podcast. That would be huge! But this interview is an absolute gem!